WasatchModeler

So it is just a generational thing and nothing can be done?

I imagine if the vendors were upset about it then they would have ended the policy a long time ago. I applaud telford for coming up with creative solutions instead of just saying that it would never work. I think we also need to take a serious look at what is the value in joining ipms. Do we seek to gain enrollment through incentives at nationals? What about those who don't attend? What's in it for them?

Good points

Isn't flying across the country faster than a train?

What about if we had a convention in California then? If it was such a big issue then we would see double the attendance in Virginia than we had in Texas. The other thing that you can look at is per capita members. They have as many members as us with a tenth the population.

https://www.shropshirestar.com/entertainment/telford-entertainment/2017/11/13/scale-modelling-show-returns-to-telford/

So telford gets about 10,000 over the weekend not over the week. I was looking at more of memberships as a per capita. Not the show. But it would be interesting to overlay the uk over Madison and see how many attendees attend.

That helps me understand more. I never said that the way to grow is to be more inclusive to other hobbies like rc. You are right. That would not work. I am interested in getting more scale modelers interested. I was saying to go to other organizations and see what works well for them. Not ask the railroaders to join us. Yes. Let's try to come to a solution that does not expel 2000 current members to gain 1000. But staying where we are is rarely a viable option. What do you mean that we should not be diverse in order to be politically correct? Do we not want women to be welcome? As far as running it like a corporation, we have an image for one that can be ruined by someone doing something wrong. That is why you have ethics committees and policies. Also, we can be held liable so there is that. Hopefully that clears my position but I am eager to learn more about yours.

What defines a successful show. If our only goal is to make money then we are successful. When you start to compare to other countries you can get a picture of how successful we are. Compare to Telford and they have much more success. And their countries population is much less. Another interesting comparison is the growth. We have nearly the same amount of members as we had a decade ago.

I have judged 3 years so far and am a chapter president. Also, sometimes all you need to see is the final product to know that there is issues with the process.

Correct me if I am wrong. It sounds like you do not want our maybe care about having a bigger organization. Are you worried that if we are more inclusive that they will become the main event and traditional plastic models becomes a side event? Seeing what other events, even visiting quilt con as I have, to be successful will make us more successful. What I hear is that successful to you is Catering to the current membership and making them happy. Not worrying about growth. Is there a way I can see the 2030 proposed vision?

And apparently from this discussion they are bare handed and lifted to eye level as well...

Experience is important but it is not the only value I would look at. Vision would be one we are lacking. Innovative is another. See ipms is consulting inside the organization instead of consulting someone like smc mmsi or others to get what makes them successful.

That is what I meant

The ncc does work for the elected e board. They should have someone to answer to. Bringing in people that have judged at us ipms nationals for a decade brings in an attitude of doing things the old way. In corporate speak we talk about diversity of thought. We hire an outsider or consultant to get new ideas. Bringing in fresh blood allows for a way to have them ask "why do we do it this way? What if we... instead we laught at new ideas saying that it is not possible even though other organizations are very proficient at it with similar numbers. I was laughed at in my first nationals at the aircraft judges meeting. I think it was for feedback sheets or how you judge weathering. It was at Las Vegas.

Sorry I have been away. If there was nothing wrong with what was in the photo then it would not have gone viral. Perception is key. If the board just explained away that this is okay behavior then it would have gotten worse. There are merits on both sides about picking up models. Yes we evaluate 3d art. Yes 2 dozen models were broken that could possibly have been avoided. Isn't it common for committees to answer to the e board? To be on the ncc right now they are looking for people that have been there for 10 years. Where is there room for new thoughts? I brought up an idea at the judges meeting and was laughed at... so I don't imagine many members feeling open to bringing up their concerns.

It makes for an interesting public relations strategy. It sounds like we do not want to listen to non members. In consumer relations, you do want to listen to both customers and non customers. If they are ignorant then why don't we educate them on why ipms operates as it does? As far as the incident with the tank being held overhead, is that how you would want your entry being held? If that becomes the norm then people are going to think twice about entering in the future. One way of thinking about it is a knee jerk reaction but the other side is listening to people's concerns and taking action. One of the stigmas of the organization is inaction. If the organization grows to a larger number then that could open up some new opportunities. The big concern is that if we stay where we are, as the organization dies off, (let's be honest about the average age of the org) then it will eventuality for with it.

Just made it through the discussion and have some questions. If most of the people on the Facebook page are not members, how do we get them to be members instead of trying to remove them? Why are they not members? If a large portion of members don't attend nationals, how do we get them to join? Why do they not attend? Why are we trying to exclude people than listen to them? It appears like growing membership is not a concern.

I am a bit confused. I was not in the room for the banquet but there was a 2nd place trophy in front of my entry. However, the website shows I got third? Which is right? Do I need to mail back a trophy or mark it with a sharpie? Class was 106 radial BKB 1/72. I had the captured Zero.

This^^^^^^^^^

This is great advice. Thinking of trying out one of these.

What's this? I just looked on delta's website and didn't see this

Sure it is a lose lose situation but if there is a small nationals they might be able to break even rather than make a profit from it. I hear a lot of people say why they should cancel but What if we put our heads together and see how we could make this work in a responsible way?

I thought there was laws against breeding in public.

I am going. I think it should be the individuals choice whether to attend. I also plan on spending plenty there to help out the organizers. My wife said it is ok