DickC Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 The National Contest Automotive rules are in need of an update. I think a committee of interested car modelers is the best way to accomplish this. I would prefer to do this via an e-mail committee rather than on the Forum. So, if you would like to participate, send me an e-mail or a PM with your e-mail address. Don Schmitz compiled some ideas that we can use as a starting point. I have directed the NCC to complete an update to the National Contest Rules and deliver the rules to the 2013 Convention Organizing Committee by December 1, 2012. To meet this schedule, we need to complete Automotive rule updates by September 30. Dick Christ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Aitala Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 If there are any needs on the technical side - things to help get folks working together more smoothly or data / document sharing, for example, let me know. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMoore Posted September 7, 2012 Report Share Posted September 7, 2012 I'm not a car modeler, but I applaud you for taking action that by all appearances has been long overdue! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghodges Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Ditto! This will at least make the statement that IPMS is trying to accommodate the automotive builders by using THEIR input to make some positive changes! Please keep us in the loop in the months to follow! GIL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noelsmith Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 (edited) As an IPMS UK member I do not know the format of your IPMS USA contest rules for automotive subjects. If you are looking to revamp them it may be worth having a quick look at the IPMS UK format for our Scale Modelworld competition. We have a number of sub groups within our 'Civilian Vehicles' class, and these rules can be accessed via the IPMS UK website if any of you guys would like to check them out. There may be a few things that you might like the look of, and then maybe not. I know that Automotive modelling is bigger in the States than in the UK, so your rules may already be more comprehensive than ours. Good luck and hope this may be of help. Edited November 23, 2012 by noelsmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteJ Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 (edited) As an IPMS UK member I do not know the format of your IPMS USA contest rules for automotive subjects. If you are looking to revamp them it may be worth having a quick look at the IPMS UK format for our Scale Modelworld competition. We have a number of sub groups within our 'Civilian Vehicles' class, and these rules can be accessed via the IPMS UK website if any of you guys would like to check them out. There may be a few things that you might like the look of, and then maybe not. I know that Automotive modelling is bigger in the States than in the UK, so your rules may already be more comprehensive than ours. Good luck and hope this may be of help. Please take this as a constructive critic. This is one of the problems we are trying to eliminate. Calling the catagory Civilian vehicles instead of automotive shows a lack of appreciation for Auto modelers. The catagory is Automotive, period. In theory Civilian vehicles covers commercial airliners, trains, ships, private aircraft, in short any form of transportation that is not in military colors. Call it what it is. Automotive. Edited November 23, 2012 by PeteJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noelsmith Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 Hey Pete! Don't shoot the messenger! As a car modeller myself I was only trying to be helpful! IPMS UK does not seem to have upset anybody over here by using the title 'Civilian Vehicles' instead of 'Automotive', so I guess we will have to agree to differ on that one. As for our title showing lack of appreciation for Auto Modellers, I cannot agree on that. All I can say is that if judging by the high standard and number of car, truck and motorcyle models shown at Scale Modelworld is anything to go by, shows anything but lack of appreciation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty White Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Hey guys. I can see where this is going. Let's not get too thin skinned and start taking things personally, because I am certain it wasn't meant that way. Things get done when we participate using civil discourse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty White Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 I'm not a car modeler, but I applaud you for taking action that by all appearances has been long overdue! Mike I agree. The modeling world is changing rapidly and all head judges need to review the rules for their respective categories yearly to stay current with the times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteJ Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Hey Pete! Don't shoot the messenger! As a car modeller myself I was only trying to be helpful! IPMS UK does not seem to have upset anybody over here by using the title 'Civilian Vehicles' instead of 'Automotive', so I guess we will have to agree to differ on that one. As for our title showing lack of appreciation for Auto Modellers, I cannot agree on that. All I can say is that if judging by the high standard and number of car, truck and motorcyle models shown at Scale Modelworld is anything to go by, shows anything but lack of appreciation. No thin skin here and no offence taken or intended on this side of the conversation. My point remains that "Civilian Vehicle" is not the proper term for the catagory. I say this because a Cessna 172 is a civilian vehicle. So is the Queen Elizabeth II and a Virgin Atlantic 747. Railroad Locomotives and horse carts would also would fall in this catagory. The catagory should be Automotive and Motorcycles not Civilian Vehicles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noelsmith Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 No offence taken or intended here either Pete. You are obviously very passionate about how the Automotive title is perceived, and I respect your views. The intention and the main point of my original post was to merely make it known that all the IPMS Scale Model World rules are on the IPMS UK website, so that comparisons could be made if anyone in IPMSUSA wants to have a look. at them. Now we have got that out of the way and made our respective points....PAX! What sort of automotive subjects interest you? Kind regards Noel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteJ Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Noel- Your thoughts are apprecieted. I have a rather diverse group of interests. I build very slowly so I have to like what I build. My last major project was Tamiya's 935 with the SMS detail set. I also like Le Mans cars. This one I did for the Tamiya advertisement. As a UK resident you might appreciate this dicast MGBGT that I redid to look like a customers car. And then some times I just get wierd and build something off the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noelsmith Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 Beautiful models Pete! I tried to reciprocate by attaching a few of my jpegs for you to see but it kept kicking me out. Kind regards Noel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghodges Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 Hmmmm......even 3 of those 4 automotive thingies have wings! :P GIL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteJ Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 Since I was a pilot, wings on a car seem to be a natural thing. :gray-plane: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBusch Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 December E-Board meeting report has 4 new auto categories added, any word on what they are. Were their any other changes to the Automotive Category. tb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmitz Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 December E-Board meeting report has 4 new auto categories added, any word on what they are. Were their any other changes to the Automotive Category. tb Terry, I was one of the folks who put the proposal together, but when we were done it went to the NCC and I heard there was some final tweaking that I don't have any details of, so I don't want to say anything specific. Mostly we proposed breaking up the more popular categories, using the categories from some of the big car-only shows as a guide. I'll ping the guy who took the proposal to the NCC and see if I can get him to comment here. Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kptucker Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 Thanks for the info Don. I'm sure I, as well as others, appreciate the follow-up. Hopefully when all the info is buttoned up, it will be shared... As a wise man once said... Patience Grasshopper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBusch Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 As a wise man once said... Patience Grasshopper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kptucker Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 I remember that Terry... Classic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmitz Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 I just noticed that the updated auto categories are posted on the Colorado Nats web page: http://www.ipmsusa2013.com/index.cfm?mode=the_categories#auto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteJ Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 I just noticed that the updated auto categories are posted on the Colorado Nats web page: http://www.ipmsusa2013.com/index.cfm?mode=the_categories#auto Don - They look good, just like we planned but there is this caviat at the top of the page. Please note: The Contest Categories listed here are under review by the IPMS/USA National Contest Committee for the 2013 National Contest. Any changes approved by the NCC will be posted here by as soon as they are available. So for now, you can consider this listing of Categories as nearly complete, but still subject to possible changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Aitala Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 We're also working on updating the NCC info on the IPMS site... note quite done yet, but we're making progress. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noelsmith Posted May 20, 2014 Report Share Posted May 20, 2014 Hi Guys, I guess that you are all looking forward to celebrating the IPMS USA 50th Anniversary at your convention this year. A number of your members made it 'across the pond' to our UK one in November last year, and I know that there are a number of UK members who will be at Hampton Roads this year, including Tony Horton our Competitions Secretary. Tony has recently introduced some pragmatic changes to our UK Civilian Vehicles classes to reflect the increase in non plastic items both as kit parts and after market accessories in the automotive modelling arena. Any one interested in making comparisons with the USA rules can find them on the IPMS UK Website in the SMW Competition posts. Peter Johnson has said in an earlier discussion with me in this column that we ought to rename our UK Civilian Vehicles category 'Automotive'. Actually, upon reflection I am inclined to agree, as it would be more accurately descriptive of the class, and recently I have passed on this suggestion to Tony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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