So who moves models around?

[ctruss53]

I entered 5 models in 3 different automotive classes and every single one of them got moved.

Not to a different class. They got moved to the back of the tables and different models were placed where mine were.

One of them got spun around when it got moved. I displayed it so you could see into it because of special parts. Not only was it moved to the back of the table it was also turned around so the engine was no longer on display and you couldn't see into it.

I hope this didn't affect judging.

What about all those signs that say not to touch models?

What about the open spaces where my models were moved too? Why couldn't your models go there?

I honestly don't care if my models were moved as long as it didn't affect judging. If moving my models negatively impacted judging, that isn't cool. 

[Ralph Nardone]

It is entirely possible that the judges moved the models--they judged the ones up front first, then moved them to the back so the ones in the back could get evaluated equally to the ones that were up front.  You will have to find them and ask.

Ralph

[ctruss53]

That is what I am hoping.

[ctruss53]

Great info.  Thank you

[Nick Filippone]

The best way to understand the judging process - and improve your modeling skills- is to become a judge. Nick Filippone, Senior National Judge 

[jcorley]

I didn't judge cars last night, but to properly evaluate the model we need to see all sides... even on the giant models. Sometimes they don't end up in the same place they started.

[ctruss53]

Thank you for explaining.  I was hoping they were judged and then moved.

[Schmitz]

19 hours ago, ShutterAce said:

Once the judging is completed the entries are reset on the table to keep them safely away from the edges. So yeah, it was likely the judges.

Models are usually moved without being picked up - if its not on a base by sliding the model on its registration form. Some judges are quick to pick models up, but the last few times I judged it was discouraged and latex gloves were passed out to those who felt they "had" to see the bottom.

[Ralph Nardone]

That's a good point.  At our local shows, the judges are instructed that the models are to be evaluated as presented by the entrant, i.e., no picking them up and turning them over to keep the entrant "honest".  If you can't see it as the model is presented, then you don't consider it.

We also encourage the use of bases.  If we have to slide a model across a table, having it on a base is the better option than sliding it on the entry form.

Keep in mind that we evaluate one model as an example of a modeler's body of work (as opposed to every model they display) at our shows, and we ask our entrants to place their one model submitted for evaluation towards the front of the table.

Cheers!
R

Edited August 8 by Ralph Nardone

[ctruss53]

1 hour ago, Schmitz said:

Models are usually moved without being picked up - if its not on a base by sliding the model on its registration form. Some judges are quick to pick models up, but the last few times I judged it was discouraged and latex gloves were passed out to those who felt they "had" to see the bottom.

At least one of them was picked up.

As long as they were judged and then moved, that's fine.

[Skjohn98]

I judged in the armor categories so I can not say what happened in the car categories. But in the armor categories to properly judge we need to see the models as was mentioned above. Hopefully models are on a base of some type, where they can moved without being touched.

I know at one of the local shows (Indianapolis) they provide simple floor tile like bases so the models can be moved without being touched.

[BWScholten]

Nationals is the only contest where picking up models seems to happen.  All the local shows I go to stress not picking the model up.

I don't like sliding them, but sometimes ones in the back need to be brought forward to get a fair shot. 

[ctruss53]

Thank you for the replys.

Like I said. If the judges judged the models and then moved them to the back afterwards so they could judge other models, that is totally fine. I just wanted to make sure that was the case. I came in the model room Saturday after judging and my models were all moved to the back. And some of them were spun around so they weren't displayed properly. And I just wanted to make sure this happened after they were judged.

Edited August 11 by ctruss53

[Highlander]

It is essentially a matter of geometry and optics.  In an ideal judging world, each model would be placed on an individual stand perfectly lit by several banks of dedicated lights --  where the judges could walk completely around it, view it up close, view it from afar, view it from above, and view it from below.  Would require a venue about the size of Utah and a budget about twice that of the US's..

But with multiple models on tables which allow only one side from which a judge can view (sometimes two), covered with models, some of which are only inches from each other, some of which are teetering on the edge, some of which are at the absolute back of the table, some of which are lighted and some of which are in the darkness -- it becomes absolutely necessary to move models.

Add to that the common practice, not yet mentioned, by contestants who enter their entries later or who decide that their chances for recognition are improved by optimal placement -- moving other entries already on the table.  Yes, I said, "...common...".  Cause I've seen it hundreds of times.

Models get moved.  Some out of necessity, some out of convenience, some of out competitiveness.  With the introduction of reality, we do the best we can.