PeteJ Posted January 16, 2023 Report Share Posted January 16, 2023 After 7 years of politicking, proding and cajoling, the auto categories have true definitions for each category. You have no idea about how happy this makes me! IPMS owes the group that wrote them seven years ago, a big thank you! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcorley Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 Pete, do you have a link? (and state it, please) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteJ Posted January 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 7 hours ago, jcorley said: Pete, do you have a link? (and state it, please) https://ipmsusa.org/sites/default/files/2023_ipms-usa_national_contest_rules.pdf Pages 5 and 6. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcorley Posted January 18, 2023 Report Share Posted January 18, 2023 That's a pretty good set of definitions. Will it work, Pete? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhamilton Posted January 18, 2023 Report Share Posted January 18, 2023 James asks "Will it work?" 15 hours ago, jcorley said: That's a pretty good set of definitions. Will it work, Pete? We spent quite a while working the descriptions into something coherent, with an eye toward resembling what shows up on the tables and what automotive modelers are familiar with. When we worked on all this, we used the most current and up-to-date data at the time. There may be a little tweaking needed due to the amount of time that has elapsed since they were produced. We had some very knowledgeable and dedicated modelers on the committee that worked very hard on this. I'm glad our work finally sees the light of day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bucholtz Posted January 18, 2023 Report Share Posted January 18, 2023 Hey, Doug - could you write a little description of the changes and the process used to determine what they would be? It would be great to run it in the Journal to let people see how much thought goes into these things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Deliduka Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 Way to go and congratulations to the committee! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvonalmen Posted January 20, 2023 Report Share Posted January 20, 2023 Really nice definitions for us auto modelers. Looking forward to this year's National Convention. Have a nice day David Von Almen, Gentleman Modeler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryLitoborski Posted April 27, 2023 Report Share Posted April 27, 2023 I still have a question about the rules for Motorcycles. The rules say that all civilian motorcycles must either be entered in Category 545 - Motorcycles, 534 - Scratch Built/Conversions, or 535 - Documented Replicas. Does this mean that no civilian bikes can be entered in any of the Basic Kit Build categories (590-592)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Deliduka Posted June 11, 2023 Report Share Posted June 11, 2023 Nobody has an answer here? Come on people, Nationals is not too far away, someone please chime in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcorley Posted June 12, 2023 Report Share Posted June 12, 2023 Too bad this isn't a question about Ships or Planes. Those head judges pay attention to the forums! BZ, Jim & Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctruss53 Posted July 6, 2023 Report Share Posted July 6, 2023 On 4/27/2023 at 12:17 PM, LarryLitoborski said: I still have a question about the rules for Motorcycles. The rules say that all civilian motorcycles must either be entered in Category 545 - Motorcycles, 534 - Scratch Built/Conversions, or 535 - Documented Replicas. Does this mean that no civilian bikes can be entered in any of the Basic Kit Build categories (590-592)? Motorcycles can only be entered in 545. Except...... If the motorcycle is scratchbuilt or a conversion, it appears you can enter it into 534, because it says all entries. And if the motorcycle is a documented replica, it appears you can enter it in 535, because it says all entries. 590-592 have always been for cars and pickups. I have never seen motorcycles allowed in those classes. NOTE: I don't run the show. I am only speaking from experience in participating in other shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryLitoborski Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 Thanks for the response, Chad. Your explanation makes sense to me but motorcycles have been allowed in 590-592 for a few years now. The winner in 592 in 2021 was a bike, one finished second in 2019, another bike finished third in 2018, and a number of others were entered in these categories over the years but didn't place. The rules read as you've explained them, but they don't appear to applied that way in practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctruss53 Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 On 1/17/2023 at 1:45 AM, PeteJ said: https://ipmsusa.org/sites/default/files/2023_ipms-usa_national_contest_rules.pdf Pages 5 and 6. Do these 2023 descriptions apply to the 2024 nationals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Aitala Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 3 hours ago, ctruss53 said: Do these 2023 descriptions apply to the 2024 nationals? see https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/ac24d88a-08a8-47fe-961a-a53559fd3d36/General Rules Revised_2024_wsh_1_02192024.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted April 6 Report Share Posted April 6 I have no skin in the game here, but would it not be beneficial to have a “weathered” category to cover all rust buckets and other automotive subjects that have dirt on them? Or would that mess up the commercial vehicles and rally cars? I have some friends who enter the auto categories and they have expressed frustration at previous events when a rusted beater car is entered in say, factory stock. I get where they are coming from. Has there been any discourse in this area? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteJ Posted April 7 Author Report Share Posted April 7 (edited) On 4/6/2024 at 12:31 PM, Neo said: I have no skin in the game here, but would it not be beneficial to have a “weathered” category to cover all rust buckets and other automotive subjects that have dirt on them? Or would that mess up the commercial vehicles and rally cars? I have some friends who enter the auto categories and they have expressed frustration at previous events when a rusted beater car is entered in say, factory stock. I get where they are coming from. Has there been any discourse in this area? Generally, beater and rust buckets that are still "drivable" belong in custom(see section 5C). This is a class that is to be judged as an "artistic class" meaning that the judges are looking predominantly at originality and not will this car actually run as built. If they are junk cars(not running) they belong in Automotive technology and culture(see section K9). Weathering is generally acceptable on race car categories because they are built and displayed as replicas in "as raced condition". Of course there is always an option for "weathered vehicles" to have a split category of their own if there are enough of them. Enough is always an issue. When creating categories, contests have to have enough entries to justify them. This is always a very subjective point. In southern California, we often plan to have Low Riders in their own category because of the number of entries even though they are technically customs. In my opinion there would have to have at least 5 or more entrants(not just entries) to suggest a separate category, but that is my subjective opinion. If you are talking about local contest, they are not bound by the national rules and can certainly use their own criteria for categories. Edited April 11 by PeteJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steev Posted April 11 Report Share Posted April 11 I can see where Rat Rods could fit with Customs but the guide for that category would seem to exclude beaters and street/time worn cars. The same goes for the Street Rod category since a beater or rusty car is not "modified for improved performance and/or eye-catching appearance". Hopefully the level of attendance at the Nats would support a seperate "Rust'n'Dust" category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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