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I am almost ready to put some decals on a P-40 tail that has some naked ladies for tail art(change of pace for naked ladies nose art).  A squadron of P-40s operating in the MTO had some interesting tail art.  My question is if I post in the forum the finished P-40 with the naked lady(or naked lady nose art) will I be breaking a Forum rule of posting a plane with a naked lady decal?  I do not wish to offend anyone.

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Personally, I have always felt historically accurate artwork should be exempt, but I'm not the boss here.  This is what's posted in the forum guidelines concerning questionable models and images.  So as a moderator, I am required to enforce the forum guidelines.  If you are still concerned, I would suggest sending a copy of the photo to the web master.  " Because Junior members can and do access these forums, adult-oriented or content inappropriate for youngsters should be restricted to the "Bull Pen" forum or not at all. Outside the Bull Pen, content should be G or PG-rated. "

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Thank you for the info.  When the P-40 is finished I will post the pictures of the model, but not include the naked lady on the tail.

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If you're talented using Photoshop, you could go ahead with the naked lady, then replace it in your submitted photo with content acceptable to the guidelines.  Just suggesting.

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"Nose art", or tail art in this case, should be acceptable. The rules about "obscenity" deal more with artwork or models (particularly figures) that depict "acts", not necessarily a nude or topless depiction of a female. Even complete nudes in WWII style are generally not "graphic" in their depiction. I can think of only one particularly provocative nose art example that might be taboo (F-105 'PG" from Vietnam), and I'd vote to allow pics of that model as long as there was no close up emphasizing that art.

I'm not a moderator, but I'd hope that IPMS would support the posting of accurate markings on any models posted here. As for the youths who may occasionally come here and see something like that, I consider it a part of their learning about what the markings were REALLY like at that time, and that our servicemen did fight for more than mom, apple pie, and their country!

 

Gil :cool:

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Hi Gil,

The F-105 you mention must be P**** G*****.   Over the years the Air force has really changed to allow what might politically incorrect nose art from being allowed in WW2 with no censorship and not allowed(except for the gulf war) today.  I guess the same could could be for allowing pin ups in the barracks.  I still have a WW2 pin up(Betty Grable) my father had from WW2.  Too bad I will not have the tail art showing, this is why I got the aftermarket decals.

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Rusty,

I am not experienced enough with photo shop to put clothes on the naked lady.  I do have something called snap and paint on my laptop and i can erase the picture on the model like I did to the picture above.image.png.f695e4b0b19bd286798225de811ad93c.png

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Yeah...that just doesn't look right!

Just so you're aware, I and others have posted models here with "nudy" nose art here in the past. Until you asked the question, I never even gave it a second thought. I consider it a part of history, and therefor it has a place on the model and on this forum.

I know some people have become much more "pc", but frankly, I'm hoping Rusty and IPMSUSA will show some back bone and not worry about catering to such attitudes. Also, I'd be very surprised if any of the youths that come here would see anything they hadn't seen on their or their friend's devices. But, they might actually learn something about WWII aircraft they didn't know before.

 

GIL :cool:

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Gil,

If you will read my post, I noted that historical accurate artwork should be exempt, .  It's my job as a moderator to enforce the forum guidelines set down by the webmaster.

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IMO, FWIW, this is an over-read of the Guidelines which appear to be far more concerned with speech than markings. 

The simple rule for nose-art/figures/scenes used to be, that if it didn't have to go behind the curtain, it would be OK -- it would after all be sitting on the contest table for all to view.

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  It takes a LOT for me to be offended, but I can see if we have kiddies here, we need to have some tact.   I frequent another forum where the general agreement is that if there's anything risque in the post the person should put nudity/partial nudity  in the subject line. This way people that don't want to see it, can move on by. Just throwing it out there.

Another idea is take a look at your image programs. I use Irfanview and then have a Effects option. I just draw a box, and  used the explosion option. The offending naughty bits go out of focus while there isn't a "chunk" taken out of your model.

Example  (there's no naught y bits in this, just showing what can be done. BTW Irfanview is terrific IMHO)

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I will just paint over the nudity.

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Another idea would be to take close up photo's of the model that doesn't include the tail then take a photo a distance away or at an angle where the details of the tail art is not easily defined. I would think this would be acceptable. A high resolution close up of the tail art would be different. Typically decal sets with nose art are not age restricted when you buy them and the images of the decal sets can be seen on the websites that sell them. But again it is up to the website to set the guidelines.

 

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On 4/3/2018 at 4:53 AM, ju52junk said:

I will just paint over the nudity.

 

Let me clarify.  Not actually paint over the decal.  But use paint before I submit the photo to the forum.

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That would obviously work, but I have to say I'm REALLY not a fan of this being done. There's way to much "pc" crud we have to deal with already, and as slow as this forum is, censoring typical WWII nose/tail art (to me) would be yet another nail in its coffin.

I understand if someone isn't comfortable themselves with posting it (but then, why'd they build it?), but I also think we have both a firm reason and plenty of precedent here on this website to allow for posting such stuff.

I'd really hate to see this become an issue when it has not been one up to now!

 

GIL :cool:

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2 hours ago, ghodges said:

That would obviously work, but I have to say I'm REALLY not a fan of this being done. There's way to much "pc" crud we have to deal with already, and as slow as this forum is, censoring typical WWII nose/tail art (to me) would be yet another nail in its coffin.

I understand if someone isn't comfortable themselves with posting it (but then, why'd they build it?), but I also think we have both a firm reason and plenty of precedent here on this website to allow for posting such stuff.

I'd really hate to see this become an issue when it has not been one up to now!

 

GIL 

Gil, I agree. I wil post pictures of the plane without any self censorship, and see if the pics get deleted.   Being new to IPMS, I just wanted to see what the comments would be.  It is historical fact there was suggestive art on WW2 aircraft.

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5 hours ago, ju52junk said:

Let me clarify.  Not actually paint over the decal.  But use paint image.png.a9cb1425690921de71675890cbb91775.png before I submit the photo to the forum.

FWIW, I wouldn't censor that.  The webmaster may have different ideas though.

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I don't really think that aircraft nose art is really an issue here. After all of it is historically correct then there is no reason why it should not be on the model. However, I can understand the sensitivity about swastikas appearing on WW2 German aircraft and military vehicles etc in Germany on models although they should be on them for historical accuracy. I personally feel that models should be historically accurate, but fully understand others points of view who may be offended. This aside, we are seeing more offensive and gruesome stuff appearing in other modelling genres. For example, girlie figures that are verging on pornographic making appearances at model shows. Also, gruesome figures depicting graphic violence such as for example a fantasy warrior holding up a severed head with muscle hanging and blood dripping.

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