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  1. I'm not sayin who but I did see a cooler in the room after we were done, Haaaaa..
  2. But my point being Pete, I need to be at the convention hotel. Not off campus. Jim
  3. I waited until the rooms opened up for this year back in October. It all opened at 6am , By 6:03am I couldn't get rooms for the 5 nights needed. That's ludicrous! Fortunately this year there was an overflow hotel connected but next year we won't have that option. So I have the real possibility of having to drive back and forth everyday including when judging for best of concludes at ?am. Plus lets hope they don't charge non hotel staying people parking each and every day. Jim
  4. Alliant energy center in Downtown Madison. Jim
  5. It's posted on the convention website, look for the convention decal tab on the left side of the screen. HTH Jim
  6. Quick question, what did I miss in this thread about picking 3 locations? I have always thought it prudent to have a separate National convention committee that was fully in charge of the Convention with the local hosts and membership providing local manpower . And also picking 3 locations across the country with proven track records of hosting. Problem is the manpower issue then is thrust upon those 3 locations. Another problem with locations is facilities that can accommodate a low volume turnout people wise for the space we need. Quite simply if there were way to pick up the Chattanooga site and make 2 copies and place them in the mid-west and west we would be set. Who has a 3d printer that can get on that for us? Jim
  7. John Thanks!! Remember we still have to have that beer 😉 .. Jim
  8. Rocky Sec 3. #2. Paragraph D Finishes> All Painting/Finishing techniques are allowed. HTH Jim
  9. Thanks John 2 questions, is your position and Mark's position on the NCSC dependant upon both of yours positions? So once you and Mark leave your posts get filled by the new Head judge and 2nd VP or you guys stay on? Thxs Jim
  10. Agreed Ralph. We were shot down (pardon rhe pun) by AZ DPS as well by Phx pd when we worked on our sheet for the reason I gave. So we tried. we got lucky again after asking with the Bondurant school of doing to do some of their high performance cars back in 2010. We gave consideration to doing USS Arizona decals but seeing how you get those in the kit and their very basic nature we decided against it. Designing a decal sheet for the Nats as you know is quite the chore. We as a group knew that we wanted to appeal to as many different areas of modeling as possible, we had to keep color count at 8 and release on the sheet also had to be considered all while keeping the cost within a very small budget. It does seem that Omaha has taken a different tact thought with their past few sheets. Jim
  11. Various problems we ran into in 2010 and 2018 with decals, especially racing subjects was sponsor decals and licensing. Cop cars are problematic due to official seals being replicated for criminal purposes. Jim
  12. Who is on this National steering committee? I'm guessing these are appointed positions? Jim
  13. DAK It's up to you where you want the W.12. If you want it in 103 I'll let it stay there, just know that the only thing judged will be the actual aircraft. It's not in the entrants best interest to move something with a weak story. Why penalize them if that's how they wanted to display their model. Jim
  14. Noel This is exactly why the change was made. it's not OOB anymore and people have to remember that. An Eduard weekend edition kit could be OOB provided you don't add any aftermarket. How is a profi pack kit with the aftermarket included in the kit the same as the weekend kit? It's not. The intent of OOB when the rule was created was to build the kit as they came out in that era because of the falsehood prevailed that you had to add extras to win. By adding the extras in the box is semantics as it doesn't follow the spirit of the creation of the OOB rule. So that's why there is a name change and an attempt to get back to where the original meaning was. Times have changed, kits have changed. So if you can't add Eduard PE to a Eduard Weekend kit for an OOB build but you can add the very same Eduard PE to the same kit just because it came in the box then what's the point? Hence the thrust to get back to the basic attempt. Building basic kits that didn't come with all the bells and whistles. Personally I would like to see OOB and now BKB go away since I do not see any reason for it since the logic behind it's very creation was a fallacy. For all those who want to build that way that's fine, enter in the regular categories, you'll do just fine. You don't need extras to win, what you do need is overall execution of construction and finish of your project. Jim
  15. James Agreed. Very few reads the rules, Very few bother to vote , The forums are looked at by only a few but facebook , yeah wars breakout over there. Jim
  16. James The NCC makes changes to the rules every year as needed. This is an attempt to clean up the never ending 30 plus year questions of "what can i add to an OOB build" all the while trying to keep to the original concept as flawed as it is. The NCC can't go to the membership everytime they need to amend the rules which is just about every year. This is what the NCC does, it falls in their laps to to write and then administer the rules for the contest. Jim
  17. Ralph It's never been a requirement (That I know of) that the NCC are to have rules ready on Jan 1. Many times the host web site isn't even up by then. So they try their best to have them ready at the beginning of the year. Other times its up as soon as the previous convention finishes. It all depends. Mike Yes I do believe you would be able to enter it in the new BKB. Again the Spirit of the rule is to eliminate kits that come with parts considered to be aftermarket included to either replace provided parts or just as a addition in a multi media kit. Jim
  18. Ralph To spin it that your 2016 experience's happen every year or is the norm is just that, Spin. I wasn't on the NCC then so I can't speak to the delay. But it always the aim and goal of the NCC to get the new rules out at the beginning of the year. Case in point, this year there was a delay as the Head judge came this>< close to loosing his home due to wild fires that ravaged his community where over 600 homes and business were lost in less than 24 hours so I think we all could cut him some slack for having to move out of his home for over week or more until utilities could be restored which all happened after our final online NCC meeting finalizing the rules. So it took some time to get his life back in order. And I would say we're lucky we got them as early as we did all things considered. Stuff happens, life happens in this all volunteer society. But as I said earlier we all still have 25 weeks to read the rules which I would wager most won't and then act all surprised when they get there. Jim
  19. I posted this on the National convention Facebook page. So its easier to copy and paste. All... OOB is based on a false pretence that you have to add extras to win. That has has NEVER been the case but OOB was created to satisfy the vocal minority. Then as soon as it came out what was the first question? "What can I add?" well are you not getting away from the spirit of the rule then? I did the math as I have every IPMS convention issue of the journal from 1973 forward save for 3 years. In the years when 1,2,3 and OOB were awarded 38% of the time one of the placements was also the OOB winner. Then when no sweeps came into effect that had to change since you couldn't have a model winning a place and OOB so that very fact right there proves OOB can does and will compete against models in a regular category. Its time has come and gone. We have created a BKB category to try and save the spirit of the rule which is to build what came in the kit, and not a kit that has all the modern conveniences of resin, photoetch and associated aftermarket that's commonly available. If you read the first sentence in the new rule a lot of questions can be answered. But this is what happens when people try to game the rules and that's what we are trying to get away from. I've been in IPMS since 95 and in that time all I have heard is people wondering what is acceptable and what's not. And why is that? Because entrants were allowed to add things to models which is exactly what their complaint was about the regular categories and thus needed another award. I don't get it, which is it? You want to build OOB but still add things? Once you add ANYTHING the slippery slope starts, Well if I can add seat belts and antenna then why not brake lines. All BKB is trying to do is get back to the basics for those who want to build that way again based on a falsehood of needed extras to win. As Mr. Peterson pointed out rules changes for the next convention have always come out around the beginning of the year. This is NOTHING new. And for those complaining that they have already built models for the old OOB rules and will be in the regular categories then all I can say is see the above statement, IT DOESN"T MATTER!!! . When judged we don't look at those things, its all about Execution, if anything you have a better chance since you have added minimal things to screw up. I 'll also add that 25 weeks before a national I think is plenty of time to adapt to a new rule that in its essence is very similar to the spirit of the original OOB rule. Now for some numbers, we had 2,680 models in Las Vegas. 313 were OOB entries, thats 11%. We are having a 30 plus year argument and continual questions about what's allowed since no one can agree and constantly argue about "Why can't I add this if I can add that" for a part of the national contest that accounts for 11%, Really? Jim
  20. All Let's not get down in the weeds. I would say a lot of answers can be found in the first paragraph > The spirit of building BKB is two-fold: ● First, to limit yourself to using only those components supplied by the kit makers of older/simpler/less-expensive kits, and yet work to get the best result regardless of any shortcomings in the base kit, such as may exist with its detailing or accuracy. ● Second, to compete at a more basic level, knowing that basic modeling skills are the only difference-maker - not what variety of detailing materials is supplied by the kit manufacturer, nor by aftermarket detailing sets, nor by using more advanced re-building or scratchbuilding skills. The general BKB approach is to build what came in the kit box. One question , can I enter a Eduard Profi pack kit?... I'll answer with a question> Is an eduard Profi pack kit and (Older/simpler/less-expensive) kit? I would say no. Seems everyone wants to microscopically examine the wording of the rules and skip over the intent and spirit of the rule as stated in the beginning. Or what can I get away with. We tried to close those doors with the main thrust of the opening sentence, (see above) . Can we have an exception or definition for every possibility that arises? No. And that's what happens,people start trying to skirt around the spirit of the rule. And that's another reason why the class head and over all head judge have to final say. I guess the alternative is to pick a year and say if the kit is made after this year it doesn't qualify. And that you can't ADD ANTHING and can't use anything that can be classified as AFTERMARKET . But I'm only one voice, the NCC has to agree with respects to their particular class. Now let's look at logistics. We had 901 Aircraft entries in Las Vegas, 158 of which were OOB/ or the new BKB. I'm lucky that I have a small team to try police the entries but we miss stuff and now we will have to not only look at each one entered but further examine to see if they qualify for BKB. So if the teams find something we missed then chances are they will get moved permitting that the regular category where the entry will land hasn't already been judged or they will be told to bring it next year and enter it in the appropriate regular category. Again all we can do is administer the rules that everyone agreed to by entering. We can't help if the rules are not read. And if they are and still have questions then I'm sure most of the class heads are in the contest room most of the time or can easily be reached. Personally I don't see the reason to even have OOB or the new BKB. Its given nothing but troubles for 30 plus years with "what can I do, how close can I come and not cross the rule, what can I get away with, well its in the box top art why can't I add it?" . All the while complaining that the category is needed because the entrants feel they need to add aftermarket to compete. Which has been proven statistically to be a falsehood. 38% of the time when IPMS awarded 1,2,3 and OOB, one of the places was also the OOB so OOB can and has competed with regular entries. So we try to shut that door and then it's (why can't I add X ?). So lets get rid of those 13 OOB/BKB categories and add them to the regular aircraft class categories. It's time has come and gone. Jim Clark Head Aircraft Judge
  21. Wow I apologize for missing this thread and not checking the forum sooner. As Ed Grune mentioned in regards to the aircraft class, I have made some suggestions to the Head judge regarding OOB. Weather they are implemented or not is up to Mark P. I have personal feelings on OOB, but as a Class head judge I can't let those interfere with the administration of our rules in regards to OOB. As for now it's here due to it's popularity and participation. I Agree, the OOB rules are clear as mud and could do with some house keeping hence the suggestions to Head Judge. Hopefully some clarification will come for the 2021 nats "If it's held". And more importantly if they are not implemented (for 2021) then we will have a chance to discuss my ideas in detail and in person at the NCC meeting which may further the understanding of my intent. As for Decals. Some have mentioned that for OOB to be true you have to use the kit decals. Well yes but the reason aftermarket decals are allowed is due to the fact that decals can degrade over time making them unusable. So why penalize the entrant over something beyond their control? The new Quinta studios offering will be addressed and not allowed in OOB. Jim
  22. And there you have it sports fans. Quicker than you expected. Hats off to the San Marcos crew and this gives you time to recoup for Aug 2nd/5th 2023. Jim
  23. Kevin AGAIN.... loose lips sink ships. If the Eboard says anything then that can and will be used against IPMS if a breach of contract suit is brought . So AGAIN... if they tell the membership anything and the reservations plummeted that information can be used against IPMS. David's post brings up the point where the show was cancelled once they got there. Inconvenient yes but it may have saved that shows organizers. IPMS can't afford to tip its hand whatever it may be at this point. Its really not a hard concept to understand. This thing can still go one of several ways. We don't know the behind the scene things going on for a reason. The main one being need to know, and right now we don't need to know. You can cancell room reservations up to 3 days prior to the start. Im pretty sure we will know something by then. Drive time , let's say 2 days prior , we should also know by then. Airlines, I know some who haven't made their reservations yet just waiting to hear, once they do then they will make their decisions. So right now its only for convenience for the membership to know. Someone said were under a month out, well last I checked it starts on July 29 its june 25 so more that a month out. Let the elected leaders do their jobs. When the Ebaord is in a position to make an announcement they will, until then why berate the point. And ultimately if you don't like what they did dont vote for them again, or better yet, run for office and present your platform for what you would have dont differently to save the organization 100k or more. Jim
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