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JClark

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    Jim
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    32nd and 48th Jets and some WW2 props. 350th Ships and 35th scale armor with some F1 cars thrown in for good measure.

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  1. How so James ?, all we are doing getting things were they belong, IE oob without instructions.We are also making room, since alot of categories are very cramped. But I'm not sure what you are referring to by Prejudice ? Jim
  2. I would wager 98% of modelers who put a model on a contest table (any contest table, not just IPMS) never bother to read the rules in the first place. Brother, you and I will agree on that one! Jim
  3. Ralph Well to call an open system exhibition a contest is also Folly. I would rather Lose (if you want to call it that) to a modeler who has a better executed model than to be graded by a judge finding me lacking in finesse. Jim
  4. That will be a tall task Ed, and it was in Chattanooga 😉 And I agree. I listened to the Sprue cutters union podcast last night where they interviewed Robert Crombeecke who heads up Scale model challenge in Holland. They talked extensively about the open system. They complained about IPMS being nit picky. But then turned around and said that he personally didn't award a model because he "felt" it lacked "finesse". Now if we're nit picky I'll take that.Because I would much rather defend a position with a fact that I can point to then to tell an entrant their entry lacked finesse. What is finesse? how do I execute finesse and how do ALL judges apply this finesse requirement equally? The Answer is you don't. What all this boils down to is judges picking what they like, well go to the state fair pie bake off if you want that. If it has enough fancy weathering and lipstick then to heck with everything else. IPMS gets branded with the lable of its all about construction. Well its not but we certainly start there in our evaluations because if you can't get the basics correct then who cares about the "art" of applying lipstick. You have to prepare the canvas and if you have problems at the start then you're setting yourself up to fall short. Now if we are all labeled as it's only construction in a 1,2,3 contest then why does fancy weathering and paint, (which comes after construction) override the basics? Is it assumed that basics aren't important or that we all have them covered ? Here is a question, Why do so many modelers when talking about modeling say "Now on to the fun stuff, painting and weathering " sounds to me like they don't enjoy the whole process and rush construction to get to the fun part. That's my one main complaint with the open system, it's all about the paint finish and how it can override basics. To me if you can't get the basics completed then you havn't finished your model. That and picking favorites. Finding finesse and inspiration is NOT judging . Judging is applying a set of rules to each model finding the nits and ranking those nits because there is no such thing as a problem free model. It's quantifiable, finesse is not. At one time I was open to hearing more about the open system, but the more I hear the more I do not like it. If the open system I have to inspire a judge with finesse then how do I do that? at least as it is now I and everyone else knows what is expected. And yet another question who died and made these judges experts in finesse? over in SMC they invite their judges, talk about an exclusive cabal , you want home cooking? do this and you'll have it. "Hey this is my buddy's model , he is good and deserves a gold, and after all he's met the gold standard at the regional so we really have to rubber stamp this anyways" Do we all really want that? My last question is this , when will the big paint manufacturers start bottling Bronze,Silver and Gold bottles of Finesse? You all will need these in the open system . That or a friend that's a judge, or insider info as to what meets the finesse criteria. Jim
  5. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
  6. Quite possibly, but I know I'm not alone. It's a big gamble to take. And when you say they "just like the Nats" but at what cost? . To totally revamp one main aspect of the convention changes the whole national ,would they "just like the Nats " after that? Jim
  7. David You'll never get a true sense because as you say, everyone would have to respond. And not everyone will. We had 8 to 9 hundred respond to the survey which is slightly more than the registered number for this year's nats "before cancelations". So extrapolate that out and the ones who responded are (Probably) the ones who attend the Nats. The core of people affected by this , who attend the Nats have spoken and are statically split. I still maintain if IPMS goes to the open system ( Via membership vote to amend the constitution to replace the word contest with exposition "Since it's not a contest anymore" or e-board mandate, yes! it could happen ) IPMS runs the very real risk of losing half the attendees to the nats. Then the question becomes will the new open system bring in enough new members to replace that half they lost and them some? Because that's the only way IPMS gains in this scenario. Jim
  8. DAK All you are asking for is that Dio's be placed where they can be seen better. What about everyone else? It seems to me that you're wanting your favorite front and center at all times with power allowances no matter the cost. Did you know that if power is brought out into the contest room this year for your front and center Dio displays that it will cost the local and thus IPMS 1k per drop ?. When the time comes that you actually plan a national contest then you will really have an idea what all is involved. Everyone wants their respective class up front, Jr's to promote the hobby, Display only's to promote only displaying models as they do in Europe, Now Dio's because Dio's are disrespected along a wall "That has only happened 2 times in 15 years" and then there is the Aircraft are always treated better and have a favored status. Man I have to laugh. Most times we are put in the back of the room because of this misconception that we are favored. In Chattanooga we were in the back, but guess what we had 1 third of the total entries. We're not favored but we are the most popularly attended Class. Big difference.. So again since 06 you have had it your way sans two different times and that's not good enough? At the end of the day it's up to the local hosts to manage the room as best they can with all the factors they have to juggle. Jim
  9. Pete Was that at the National level because I went back and looked and the last time there was a civilian vehicle class at the Nats was 92 from 93 on class 5 has been called Automotive. James Change for the sake of change is pointless. You may "Feel" a change is better, that doesn't necessarily make it so. Jim
  10. DAK Yes, there are out lets in the floors of many venues. That doesn't mean you can simply plug in. Sometimes power has to be turned onto those that are in the floor, sometimes the facility will state they have to have their electrician come in and plug in the extension cord. All of that cost IPMS money. in 2018 we had to pony up $35 for every single plug that went into an outlet. You get an entrant that brings 2 powered entries and you're now paying him to show his/her stuff. So much can be done with LED's these days that I don't see much demand for anything other than battery operated items. I'm getting ready to build a Warhammer Imperial knight that will have 4 flickering , 1 breathing/pulsing, 3 solid and one trailing row of LED's all powered off a 9 volt battery. Go check out evandesigne.com for more lighting ideas.. Jim
  11. Jim Your quote> I believe that AMPS allows for that same model to be modified and graded again. Therefore a Silver graded build could upgrade to Gold, or downgrade to Bronze, with modifications made to it. Talk about campaigning a model and trophy hounding... In the end you go to a game and expect to see that game. If the NFL changed to badminton I probably wouldn't be inclined to watch, "Hell I don't watch either" but the point remains what is being talked about is a monumental change . One that I believe has the potential to be catastrophically damaging. Which is why I say that those proponents of the open system need to go out on their own as the AMPS guys did. Why possibly ruin what we have. It would be more than just short term membership loss. Add in the vote there was only 1 more in favor of the open system. We're split, ok that should tell the open guys all they need to know that there may very well be enough of them to go form their own society. And I'm willing to bet they will come back to double dip like the AMPS guys do. So then I'll ask again, how bad are we really? Is there really a need to change when that happens? Jim
  12. Yes, along with my Ships, Armor, Cars and Bikes, hell even some Sci-fi. I do not participate in hypocrisy. And I don't need grades. The society as a whole is a big statement too as I see others, many others doing the same. We all have choices, it's just a shame that the whole applecart could get overturned based on supposed opinions. Why change something successful? it's only opinion that you would be changing for the better. Many don't think that way. So I'll ask again, why not do as AMPS did. Create another option for people who like getting graded. My hats to them and I wish them nothing but the best. If the open system is all that then go start another society . You can do what ever you want from the ground up. Go prove how wrong IPMS is in how they do things. As they say necessity is the mother of invention. So go out there and prove the necessity . Jim
  13. James And you provedmy point that don't run a hierarchical show system now, > Not sure I'm following you.... In an open system you really shouldn't have best of's or a Best in show since now you're back to a competition amongst grade earners. I thought the idea was to get away from competition, to award all deserving models? I wouldn't think any models in GSB would be competing for Best of's since again you don't have a competition anymore. An open system is once again NOT a competition it's a grading system and to call it otherwise is very misleading. Unless you want it to be hypocritical with competition amongst Gold winners. It's one way or the other, pick one. If the Open standard has been met at a regional or local level then it has to be handed out at the national level again because the standard/grade for that level of award has been met and it's hypocritical do do otherwise. A grade is a grade for an individual model. The only difference being the judges looking at it and if they are doing their jobs correctly then it's over and done. Local gets a gold then it has to be rubber stamped at the regional/national level, do you really want that? There is no difference between a gold at a local or a national except wording on the plaque. I have to say if we ever go to this format then I'm done with IPMS. I'll just pay my $10 GA, walk the vendor room and the contest room for one day and go home. I'm not about getting graded, I did that back in school a looong time ago. I'm also not about participating in a hypocritical system which this would be if you have golds then "competing" for something else. Come to think of it I'll also save some $$ buy not paying membership dues, convention fees. I have to ask, how does that help the already successful society and convention we have now? For this scheme to be successful you would need to replace all those who left just to break even THEN get even more to "Grow" the society. I've only heard about growing the society I haven't heard about replacing those who will leave. It's a BIG assumption to think everyone will stay if a change is made. And if you want to take the vote as a sample size then you'll lose half. In the end Is it worth it to lose half your membership to "Grow" the society? Jim
  14. James You are absolutely incorrect. A regional best of show may not place because something better showed up that given day, that's the point. It's all based on what shows up and compared to each other, hence direct competition. You can't simply collect your award since you and everyone else has no idea what will show up. In an open system you apply the standard ,if you receive a grade then logic dictates you can't receive anything other than that since it has been graded. If you start giving Silvers to past gold winners then hypocrisy sets in especially using the same standard. That's the rub, You can apply a standard to models to rank them as we do now and get different results all based on what shows up, it becomes and entirely different animal when you do it on an individual basis. You want to see some complaining?, just implement this open system and when you get gold awarded models getting silver or lower using the same standard the bitching will start in earnest. If complaining happens now at least you can say something better showed up and your BOS at a regional doesn't mean anything. Jim
  15. James In an open system all the entrants are graded against a standard not judged against each other using a standard. So it is not a contest. And no one has yet to answer my question about getting an award at a lower level local or regional event using said standard thus in reality automatically qualifying them to receive the same level award at a national. Walk in and collect your award.... Jim
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